塔克和格雷姆与布莱恩·阿克曼在雅各布·伯恩斯中心(2 of 3)

I think we should send the microphone around.

I'm sure that people have comments and questions.

Right here in the front.

>> Well, thank you first, this is really really fascinating am just blown away.

I have a question am wondering if you've studied or looked at a Stoic philosophy.

I'd been reading that now for a few years, and it's pantheistic, and there is

concept of a great unfolding and there is Logos, which is sort of an inner logic.

And from their metaphysics or cosmology, the ethics, an ethics is born.

And it's too much to go into right now, but I'm curious if you looked at that,

if you had any thoughts.

>> We have a lot of respect for stoic philosophy.

I wish I knew it probably as well as you do because you've been reading up as

they say.

But yes, would be my short answer, and John may well have a supplement to that.

So from early philosophy, Greek philosophy, Chinese philosophy,

Indian philosophy that we have these great explorations, but

I do think Stoic philosophy has a huge amount to offer us right now.

>> Yeah.

>> This is the way we did it in Greece, in Samos.

And we've just come back from a conference in Iran on world religions, and ecology,

sponsored by the Iranian government, and UNEP, United Nations Environment Program.

And this ancient civilization of Persia is ready to be welcomed

back into the international community.

It was just astonishing, we were there earlier twice for

these same kinds of concerns.

So this intersection of thoughts, of Greek thought,

of Persian thought, of Greco-Roman traditions,

it's a cross roads of civilization, which we're having right now.

You know, and the Iranians reached out to Spain in 2001,

in 2005 when we were there, as well, under Khatami to say we

need a dialogue of civilizations, not a clash of civilizations.

You see, [LAUGH] that's what we're trying to bring forward.

This possibility, bring great philosophies and

tradition into the present in new and fresh ways.

>> That's such a fine insight into the background of a film such as this.

And it's not overt, it's not something we talk about directly.

But I laugh sometimes when I hear that the challenge being raised that

really we should not talk about Europe without calling it a Christian nation.

And I laugh because I think, well, I know the Jewish roots are so deep too.

And then I think Stoicism,

the stoic routes and these stock traditions that'll come into this.

We could call you the Atlantic-Mediterranean tradition by so

many names, but one point I would pick up on your very fine recommendation.

It's the solar system is not always so easy to read, but it gives so much.

And one idea that I think is evident in this film, and

I think we are revisiting it as a species, is that the idea of cosmopolitan.

And what does it mean again, cosmos this film as charged with the idea of

living with an order of cosmos as opposed to a chaos.

But said the idea of a city and

the fact that we are increasingly an urban species,

and suddenly to recover our cosmological presence, we have students at

Yale Forester Environmental studies who are committed to urban ecology.

Not all of them, but many of them.

For them, it's a cosmos within the city.

It's the Earth within the city.

All of this is from the Earth that we're among but how we see it then,

how we relate to it, so your question excites me.

>> I have a question over here.

>> First of all, thank you very much for the film and for being here, and

answering questions.

It was really exciting to watch.

I'm an educator and I was just wondering what this might look like

if it were to move this film and some of the subjects it raises into academics.

What would it look like, what would it be called, because if I were younger,

it would be really exciting to study this.

And I'd just like your thoughts on that.

>> That's so lovely, such a leading question too.

Mary Evelyn will have so much more to say, but I'm a storyteller, so.

I recall, one of the earliest showings was down in Louisville and

it was the Louisville Museum of Science, and there's a slanted auditorium,

and we showed the film it have a discussion like this.

And towards the end, this elderly gentleman up front, raised his hand.

And it was like that Smith Barney moment.

I'm not sure if maybe he had given the money for the whole science museum or

what, but everyone got quiet and turned to him and he says,

your film reminds me of when I was an undergraduate and

I studied humanities for the first and the last time in my life.

But remembered all through my life the Delphic oracle.

And over the door was that sign that Socrates took for his model.

Gnothi sauton, know thyself.

He says, that's what you're asking us to do in this film, aren't you?

Know ourselves in a new way.

>> So, I think your question, I really am delighted for your question.

This film was on PBS for three years.

The book has been translated into French and

Italian, and to be Russian and Spanish.

We're in Turkey, and it was in the, it's in Turkish and it was in the airport.

And so it's also been translated into Chinese, and to Korean.

We're showing it at the science museum in Korea this summer, and

also again, in China.

So when I think of education,

I want all of us to think globally, not just here.

But I love your question because we've also worked with high school teachers,

secondary school teachers, by and large by the private schools but not exclusively.

And they are very excited about this and student that we've worked at Lawrenceville

down in Princeton, but the public school teachers in Connecticut,

there have been some workshops, very, very excited.

We've a staff of one full time and we have one web person.

We've got five websites and so on.

But this could be so revved up for

secondary education and definitely college education.

And in fact, and finally to your point, from Yale this

fall we're going to release A Journey of the Universe in the two part,

six weeks, it would be a six week MOOC, this massive open online classes,

which means your friends, your family, can watch this film wherever they like.

Although this fabulous facility here is the best.

Don't watch it just on your computer.

But it means the film and these conversations will be

available anywhere actually around the world.

But I think the most important part of your question is how would it affect

education.

I think we might have a chance at integral

education instead of dualistic education.

That's a very simple way of putting what Brian was talking about earlier, though.

How can we integrate our participation in this?

And right now mechanistic science keeps that at a distance.

>> You may go.

>> Thank you.

Responding to one of John's prior answers relating to cosmology, and

the sense of the cosmos being a potential bridge between religion and science.

And just connecting with my own emotional response to the film,

I'm wondering if also the human sense of awe or

wonder and the reverence that might result from that might also be a bridge.

And I'd be curious to your response to that.

>> Yeah, I have a difficult time separating the concept and

experience of cosmology from its manifestation.

I resonate immediately with the question.

Let me attempt at an answer in this way.

I had one of those a-ha moments, when I finally realized my teacher,

Thomas Barry, had stepped outside of his own training.

And I mean by that this, he was a historian of religion trained in

the 40s and 50s, and then himself went to China and traveled.

And that sense then of history as being the story,

the human story, entirely anthropocentric.

But he had arrived late in his life where his sense of

Cosmos of cosmology was all of the tellings

of cosmology by all the species in our experience.

So he saw the Earth as our most immediate experience of cosmology, certainly.

Suns and stars, but the Earth is our most immediate experience.

And so history, I could see him moving towards a sense of history as hearing

the story of the species' telling of their own evolutionary history.

>> So I think this is a hugely important question.

And our book, Ecology and Religion, actually says exactly what you said.

Namely all religions have had their cosmology.

All science has it's cosmology of this expanding universe,

this opening, unfolding dynamic evolutionary process.

So how to put together these worlds is, I think, a huge challenge as we see.

But absolutely what draws these worlds together is awe, and wonder,

and beauty, and complexity, and our science friends are all about that.

Just very briefly, our dean, Peter Crane, who's a paleobotanist and

just did the most astonishing talk at Yale last week.

I think it's one of the best talks I've ever heard at Yale.

And he was going into the fossil record of angiosperms,

of plants, of which there's 390 >> Flowering-

>> Flowering plants, sorry flowering.

399 species

>> 399 >> Thousand.

I keep saying that.

Sorry.

I'm so excited about this, in case you didn't notice.

But what they have discovered in one lifetime, his lifetime,

is how to read back into the fossil record through the technology and microscopes.

So we watched for about two and a half minutes this 100 million year

old bud of a flowering plant open, and open, and open, and open.

It was astonishing, absolutely astonishing.

This is a leading scientist, head of Kew Botanical Gardens and so on.

And he too is filled with this wonder to discover the pattern

within flowering plants.

It's his whole life.

>> So this, this bud was completely fossilized.

No organic material left.

So but they did MRI scanning, and so they could reconfigure and

understand its inner formation, and

that's when they did an opening in terms of animation of the flower.

>> And who was at this talk?

I'm curious about the response in the audience.

>> That is so interesting.

All scientists, were the only humanities people.

And by the way, this is a fusion of science and humanities, right?

So we're just kind of like this.

But all the scientists were equally fascinated.

They asked more technical questions.

But what that gives us, you see, sometimes people say, technology.

But it gives us the sense of entering deep time in ways

that we certainly didn't have before this research.

It was one of the most magical things.

We've all seen the great photographers doing this with

plants that are living now, but you see a hundred million year old bud.

It was astounding, and the patterning, coming back to the film,

is genius in what's evolving in these self-organizing dynamics.

>> So it's not only microbiology that's enabled them to find more fossil evidence,

but now, scanning it, and doing atomic analysis,

they begin to see the inner working so that they can guesstimate or

configure how it goes about it on generative processes.

宇宙之旅：展现生命 (Journey of the Universe: The Unfolding of Life)

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Mary Evelyn Tucker

John Grim

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