>> And what's interesting is that the traditional definition of creativity
is that it has to be novel.
Or new and task appropriate.
And yet with many, see, we're kind of breaking these rules
in that somebody else may not see it as new, but as long it's new to that person.
Where is it the little-c level or
everyday creativity other people recognize it as being new.
And we, sometimes like to call it county fair creativity,
in part because we developed a lot of the model during the Oregon County Fair.
But this idea of that bit of creative work that everybody can bring to the table
in some way, that people can appreciate to enjoy, whether it's cooking or
building a bird house or scrap booking or singing a song on your guitar.
It's that level of everyday creativity that is recognized as being creative,
by at least some other people.
>> Right. And I think,
just to dwell on mini CLC just for a moment, what I think was evident to us as
we were thinking about this and observing creative expression, like at the fair for
example, is the idea that many see creativity as sufficient.
It's a sufficient level of creativity.
As long as the person's enjoying their experience,
it doesn't even matter sometimes if other people don't recognize that.
That moment of learning, that moment of insight, it still has value in itself.
And what we started looking at, for example, in some of our recent studies, is
the case that some people might recognize their creativity, other people don't.
And what we're also seeing in kids for example,
is kids often don't recognize their creativity but other people do.
So I think there's some interesting things of helping youngsters
realize that what they're doing is a creative act, and
with some support it could be developed in something that other people can recognize.
So that maybe moves us to Pro-C then.
>> And once you're at little-c,
so once your work is recognized by other people,
in essence you have that decision of whether to keep working at it.
To keep practicing, developing your art media or whatever the product is.
Maybe work with people who are professionals and experts and
that overtime, over practice your work will
reach that level of being an expert of being professional.
And to a degree, this is the most that we can
really realistically aspire for that's under our control.