[MUSIC] So what is it, Peter? >> This week we've spent a lot of time talking about value creation in the arts. >> Mm-hm. >> I have a question for you. Do you believe that value should be protected, sacred and fixed? Or do you really believe that value should be very flexible, constantly in change, and subject to external control? >> I think in the arts, one of the challenges for a leader is that you have both kinds of value that you're creating or protecting. And getting the balance right is complicated, it has to be relevant to people, but there are also some artistic objectives and objects that you may be preserving. >> Leslie, you're not taking a stand, you're trying to have it both ways. You're saying a little bit of this, a little bit of that, I'm asking you a very direct question. >> Mm-hm. >> Do you think it's sacred? Do you think it's worth protecting? As a spokesman for the arts, don't you wanna take this moment to tell this academic, who thinks that value is constantly contingent and changing, that he's wrong. This is your chance. >> Well I am sure you are wrong about a lot of things, Peter, but this may not be one of them. I think that if nobody sees a work of art, how much value have we actually protected? >> Good point. >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] [MUSIC]