Thanks so much, Sean, for taking the time to talk to us. >> Thanks >> You're in the other part of the world, at least from my perspective, right? You're in Melbourne, in Australia. And so your trajectory shows a long commitment to self-organized education platforms. Both physical, in terms of people for me, and spaces that have to be run and maintained. As well as online kind of internet, and kind of new media platforms, right? What made you started in this type of practice? >> After I finished at my University, I couldn't find a job and I sort of fell into computer programming. That's where I learned about my job, doing it. And very quickly, went from basically making advertisements off websites. >> Right. >> That's ultimately what my job was. This is a very powerful kind of technology. It's reaching quite a lot of people. And, also [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] So I set up message boards for students to be able to sort of correspond [INAUDIBLE] send photos, not necessarily having to get together. [INAUDIBLE] So that sort of organized a bunch of images, research, and [INAUDIBLE]. [INAUDIBLE] Software [INAUDIBLE] decision making process [INAUDIBLE] just trying to experiment with just programming. [INAUDIBLE] but building structures so that for Facebook [INAUDIBLE] anyones eye 1999, 2000. And these were platforms that could be built by anyone. I like the idea of that I think that people can build there own infrastructures. You know? Because in a way that's connected to when you are part of a group of people working together you need some tools. I was interested at how free float technology, you wouldn't necessarily formalize all of those segments of code. But you could sort of establish certain rules. And it also beats sort of like other possibilities for yeah, for not always having to be in the same place. I think it's great to be in the same place, but I think it's also, we learn now that we don't have to be together to get things done. So when I first started art, which was like 2003 actually, originally it was just meant to be a one part of that infrastructure I was talking about before, basically a [INAUDIBLE] Sort of collaborating from another [INAUDIBLE] political projects. >> Uh-huh. >> Because I found that, for people that are often motivated by their [INAUDIBLE] and wanted to share those with others, like have other people like literally be on the same page. >> Yeah, yeah. And for people, for some of our students who may not know yet, I mean of course they can follow the links that we're providing for them, but you know what, I think you've already described, but you know it's clear even if people haven't used them that it's functional as a library, Right? With a public school, some people may be a little bit confused because this is a school created and it's not the public school of Los Angeles, right? But, it was intentionally called Public School for particular reasons. >> What was your thinking for calling it Public School? >> Public School means something in the United States. It's an institution for state provided education. And some of those people sort of already have an idea in their minds about what their public should do, especially in the United States. If it's a public school, then anyone has access to go to it. And so I call it a public school in order to already mobilized in some expectations, promises that are [INAUDIBLE] in the name. So it wasn't a mistake on the public school, it's not satire. The second reason that I chose [INAUDIBLE] public school was the idea that [INAUDIBLE] different school that's public from top to bottom. And I don't just mean that the public can go to it, but that's publicly probable at every level from talking about them. From what classes are going to be offered, to the way that these are organized, not only to what's organized, but to the way that the classes are organized, that's also a matter of so the idea was that everything process the way that operates. It's sort of physical and sometimes viable by people who are and I saw a 2007 Already that wave of universities were thinking about the internet. The internet's a really good way to take what was going on on the campuses and send it outwards. >> Very appropriate for a MOOC, right? >> Yeah [LAUGH] I mean we were thinking that this is a good way to take all of this intellectual [INAUDIBLE] it's developed and confined to the physical areas and broadcast it. And also that [INAUDIBLE] would be potentially a revenue source, like the ads numbers. And at the time I had some of the most powerful and experiences that I have had have not been like. Had some knowledge, sort of like [INAUDIBLE] in a physical space. And I always think [INAUDIBLE] possibilities, but internet [INAUDIBLE]. Seriously? Just a. [INAUDIBLE] >> Right. >> And I sort of saw a possibility of using the internet to [INAUDIBLE], to create that sort of experience that I had thought more powerful. I started looking at little more at A, the history of police involvement on campuses. We see the University of California that's going back to Reagan was just getting into politics. So his involvement and [INAUDIBLE] But also connecting that to some experiences that I had when. [INAUDIBLE] at the University of Sao Paulo. And talking to the students there who've been. [INAUDIBLE] Since 2007. And presence of military police on those campuses. Sort of like growing after the period where PC on campus. Consider impossible because of what they'd already done in the dictatorship. So, that has seen to be sub space and it's all across the world whether it's a hollow or a so actually police [INAUDIBLE] be more present [INAUDIBLE] Looking at the between [INAUDIBLE] South America, [INAUDIBLE] California and so on. They're all subjected to the same forces. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> Shame on you, shame on you, shame on you, shame on you.
